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	<title>Comments on: Lionel Asbo, by Martin Amis</title>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
		<link>http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/lionel-asbo-by-martin-amis/#comment-12759</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I share your impression that there seem to be two very different books here, although perhaps not as deeply.  And I also much preferred the satire of the first part of the book.

In his appearance at Banff a week ago, Amis said that part of his new &quot;maturity&quot; was that he has decided not to worry if people found his writing &quot;sentimental&quot; -- that it was much easier to write a convincing &quot;baddie&quot; than it was to adequately portray a &quot;goodie&quot;.  Unfortunately (perhaps because I liked the satire so much), I was not able to make the shift with him when the novel began to focus more on Des, certainly a more decent person than Lionel, but for me a less interesting one.  I would not go so far as to say it was sentimental, but it certainly headed in that direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share your impression that there seem to be two very different books here, although perhaps not as deeply.  And I also much preferred the satire of the first part of the book.</p>
<p>In his appearance at Banff a week ago, Amis said that part of his new &#8220;maturity&#8221; was that he has decided not to worry if people found his writing &#8220;sentimental&#8221; &#8212; that it was much easier to write a convincing &#8220;baddie&#8221; than it was to adequately portray a &#8220;goodie&#8221;.  Unfortunately (perhaps because I liked the satire so much), I was not able to make the shift with him when the novel began to focus more on Des, certainly a more decent person than Lionel, but for me a less interesting one.  I would not go so far as to say it was sentimental, but it certainly headed in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheila O'Brien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just finished Lionel Asbo, and cant help thinking that I read two books. The first half of the book was droll, often laugh  out loud  funny,  with interesting, if bizarre characters. Then, it steeply declined into the absurd, with improbable and empty characters whose crazy pursuits held no interest for me. Amis says he regards comtemporary England with great affection - I couldn&#039;t see it in this book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished Lionel Asbo, and cant help thinking that I read two books. The first half of the book was droll, often laugh  out loud  funny,  with interesting, if bizarre characters. Then, it steeply declined into the absurd, with improbable and empty characters whose crazy pursuits held no interest for me. Amis says he regards comtemporary England with great affection &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t see it in this book.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tolmsted:  I&#039;d agree that this is &quot;more of the same&quot; (and that your summary of Amis is close to accurate).  What I found different with this novel was that I thought Martin was pointing the knife at himself as often as he did his other targets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tolmsted:  I&#8217;d agree that this is &#8220;more of the same&#8221; (and that your summary of Amis is close to accurate).  What I found different with this novel was that I thought Martin was pointing the knife at himself as often as he did his other targets.</p>
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		<title>By: tolmsted</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin -
Thanks for the review.  I&#039;ve only read two of Martin Amis&#039; books - London Fields and House of Meetings - so my opinion is based on only a small sampling. 

I&#039;ve never been able to decide what to make of him.  His prose is nice, but he seems to recycle his male protagonist from book to book.  The typical lower middle class, blue-collar stereotype: brutish, criminal, violent and cruel.  Lionel Asbo strikes me as more of the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin -<br />
Thanks for the review.  I&#8217;ve only read two of Martin Amis&#8217; books &#8211; London Fields and House of Meetings &#8211; so my opinion is based on only a small sampling. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been able to decide what to make of him.  His prose is nice, but he seems to recycle his male protagonist from book to book.  The typical lower middle class, blue-collar stereotype: brutish, criminal, violent and cruel.  Lionel Asbo strikes me as more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, part of the charm of this one is that the elevator (most of the time) actually works up to about floor 20 -- Lionel and Des keep passing each other in the stairwells between floors 20 and 33.

That&#039;s part of why I think this is tongue-in-cheek satire (comic is in fact a much better description) not a serious critique of the wealth of targets Amis manages to find.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, part of the charm of this one is that the elevator (most of the time) actually works up to about floor 20 &#8212; Lionel and Des keep passing each other in the stairwells between floors 20 and 33.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s part of why I think this is tongue-in-cheek satire (comic is in fact a much better description) not a serious critique of the wealth of targets Amis manages to find.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Monks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee Monks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forgot to mention, in passing, that my cousin currently lives in a 20-odd storey tower block, and that such sizable structures are still dotted around. But Max reminded me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention, in passing, that my cousin currently lives in a 20-odd storey tower block, and that such sizable structures are still dotted around. But Max reminded me.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, I&#039;ll pop back with a longer comment later, but as a kid my aunt&#039;s tower block was well over 20 stories (she was around 14 or 15 and the lifts were routinely broken) and that wasn&#039;t unusual. 33 is an exaggeration, but not as much as you might think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I&#8217;ll pop back with a longer comment later, but as a kid my aunt&#8217;s tower block was well over 20 stories (she was around 14 or 15 and the lifts were routinely broken) and that wasn&#8217;t unusual. 33 is an exaggeration, but not as much as you might think.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy:  I should have said in my response to Max that the novel also offers takes on middle class and posh types as well -- although it obviously features the bottom end.  Having said that, part of what is attractive about Des is that he really does want out.  In short, there is more to the novel than my sketchy review indicates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy:  I should have said in my response to Max that the novel also offers takes on middle class and posh types as well &#8212; although it obviously features the bottom end.  Having said that, part of what is attractive about Des is that he really does want out.  In short, there is more to the novel than my sketchy review indicates.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy Savage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 01:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good to know that you liked this as I have it on my radar. I wondered about the class thing, so I&#039;ll keep that in mind when I read it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know that you liked this as I have it on my radar. I wondered about the class thing, so I&#8217;ll keep that in mind when I read it.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee:  Many thanks for bridging the gap between Max&#039;s response and my review.  Lionel does talk gibberish, but it does have a &quot;warped truth&quot; hidden inside it.  And, if you can get over the hump of &quot;can any of this be real?&quot;, it is comic writing of the first order.

I did reread the first half of the novel before I wrote my review, just to confirm my first impressions that it was an impressive work.  I&#039;ll admit I saved a reread of the second half for later -- &quot;a peculiar warmth&quot; is not a phrase that I would have come up with but it is a perfect description of my impression on the novel.

Thanks.

And, for regular visitors here, a &quot;standy-by&quot; note.  This seems to be the year of the &quot;state of England novel&quot; -- perhaps &quot;state of London&quot; might be more appropriate.  John Lanchester&#039;s &lt;a href=&#039;http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/category/author/lanchester-john/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Capital&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; was my first and I loved it.  &lt;em&gt;Lionel Asbo&lt;/em&gt; is the second.  From reviews that I have read, Keith Ridgway addresses much the same theme in a very different way in &lt;em&gt;Hawthorn and Child&lt;/em&gt; ( for a review check out John Self &lt;a href=&#039;http://theasylum.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/keith-ridgway-hawthorn-child/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).  Ridgway&#039;s novel just arrived in my postbox today -- I&#039;ll get to it in a week or two.  We are Olympic fans in this household and we&#039;ll be steeped in television portrayals of London for the next few weeks -- these three novels seem to provide an excellent alternate point of view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee:  Many thanks for bridging the gap between Max&#8217;s response and my review.  Lionel does talk gibberish, but it does have a &#8220;warped truth&#8221; hidden inside it.  And, if you can get over the hump of &#8220;can any of this be real?&#8221;, it is comic writing of the first order.</p>
<p>I did reread the first half of the novel before I wrote my review, just to confirm my first impressions that it was an impressive work.  I&#8217;ll admit I saved a reread of the second half for later &#8212; &#8220;a peculiar warmth&#8221; is not a phrase that I would have come up with but it is a perfect description of my impression on the novel.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>And, for regular visitors here, a &#8220;standy-by&#8221; note.  This seems to be the year of the &#8220;state of England novel&#8221; &#8212; perhaps &#8220;state of London&#8221; might be more appropriate.  John Lanchester&#8217;s <a href='http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/category/author/lanchester-john/' rel="nofollow"><em>Capital</em></a> was my first and I loved it.  <em>Lionel Asbo</em> is the second.  From reviews that I have read, Keith Ridgway addresses much the same theme in a very different way in <em>Hawthorn and Child</em> ( for a review check out John Self <a href='http://theasylum.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/keith-ridgway-hawthorn-child/' rel="nofollow">here</a>).  Ridgway&#8217;s novel just arrived in my postbox today &#8212; I&#8217;ll get to it in a week or two.  We are Olympic fans in this household and we&#8217;ll be steeped in television portrayals of London for the next few weeks &#8212; these three novels seem to provide an excellent alternate point of view.</p>
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