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	<title>Comments on: Ripley&#8217;s Game, by Patricia Highsmith</title>
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		<title>By: Craig D.</title>
		<link>http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/ripleys-game-by-patricia-highsmith/#comment-10828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, I&#039;ll add the names to my TBR list. (I actually keep one of these in a little notebook.) Knowing how long it usually takes me to get around to the names on that list, I predict that I&#039;ll start reading these authors sometime in 2050. But I&#039;ll try for sooner than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I&#8217;ll add the names to my TBR list. (I actually keep one of these in a little notebook.) Knowing how long it usually takes me to get around to the names on that list, I predict that I&#8217;ll start reading these authors sometime in 2050. But I&#8217;ll try for sooner than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, I get what you mean. Speaking from my own deep love of Hammett and Lovecraft I really would suggest you check out respectively Chandler and if you haven&#039;t already Clark Ashton Smith. If you like HPL&#039;s dreamlands stuff also Lord Dunsany (who I cover some of at mine, but I have to admit my love of HPL is born of his horror rather than his more fantastic stories).

Everyone should check out Runyon. America&#039;s PG Wodehouse, which gives an utterly misleading impression of what and how he wrote, yet for me remains true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, I get what you mean. Speaking from my own deep love of Hammett and Lovecraft I really would suggest you check out respectively Chandler and if you haven&#8217;t already Clark Ashton Smith. If you like HPL&#8217;s dreamlands stuff also Lord Dunsany (who I cover some of at mine, but I have to admit my love of HPL is born of his horror rather than his more fantastic stories).</p>
<p>Everyone should check out Runyon. America&#8217;s PG Wodehouse, which gives an utterly misleading impression of what and how he wrote, yet for me remains true.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;wide .. but narrow.&quot; Ugh. I&#039;ve never been terribly good at expressing myself in words, but I think I could do better than that. You probably get what I mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;wide .. but narrow.&#8221; Ugh. I&#8217;ve never been terribly good at expressing myself in words, but I think I could do better than that. You probably get what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max:

Never even heard of Runyon. (Forgive my ignorance. It can be shocking to people sometimes.) I&#039;m familiar with Chandler but never read him. I&#039;ve noticed that my tastes are wide and eclectic but narrow. My favorite writer is Philip K. Dick, but I rarely read any other science fiction. I&#039;m a huge Sherlock Holmes fan, but I don&#039;t read or watch any other mysteries. I love Patricia Highsmith and Dashiell Hammett, but I rarely read any other crime. (I just recently bought my first copies of Jim Thompson and Richard Stark.) As for horror, I love H. P. Lovecraft and Richard Matheseon (and a little Poe), and two of my favorite movies are Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead, but I rarely read or watch any other horror. I should probably read a Chandler at some point, but I&#039;m more likely to grab whatever&#039;s left of Hammett that I don&#039;t already have, for better or worse.

As for Ripley, the first book is certainly unique among the series, the only one in which I&#039;m willing to call Tom&#039;s actions and feelings &quot;psychopathic&quot; and/or &quot;immoral.&quot; It&#039;s the only one in which he plans a murder, it&#039;s the only murder in which the victim wasn&#039;t a threat to him in some way, and it&#039;s the only time he kills someone he likes. After that, he only kills in the spur of the moment to get himself out of a jam, and his later victims were far less sympathetic. He&#039;s never seriously troubled by guilt, but that first murder is the only one that he&#039;s genuinely contrite about, and he thinks back on his younger self as stupid and reckless. Perhaps this is one of the reasons I prefer the older Tom of the sequels; you can root for your antihero when he&#039;s strangling a Mafia hitman, but it&#039;s just unpleasant when he&#039;s beating an innocent friend to death.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max:</p>
<p>Never even heard of Runyon. (Forgive my ignorance. It can be shocking to people sometimes.) I&#8217;m familiar with Chandler but never read him. I&#8217;ve noticed that my tastes are wide and eclectic but narrow. My favorite writer is Philip K. Dick, but I rarely read any other science fiction. I&#8217;m a huge Sherlock Holmes fan, but I don&#8217;t read or watch any other mysteries. I love Patricia Highsmith and Dashiell Hammett, but I rarely read any other crime. (I just recently bought my first copies of Jim Thompson and Richard Stark.) As for horror, I love H. P. Lovecraft and Richard Matheseon (and a little Poe), and two of my favorite movies are Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead, but I rarely read or watch any other horror. I should probably read a Chandler at some point, but I&#8217;m more likely to grab whatever&#8217;s left of Hammett that I don&#8217;t already have, for better or worse.</p>
<p>As for Ripley, the first book is certainly unique among the series, the only one in which I&#8217;m willing to call Tom&#8217;s actions and feelings &#8220;psychopathic&#8221; and/or &#8220;immoral.&#8221; It&#8217;s the only one in which he plans a murder, it&#8217;s the only murder in which the victim wasn&#8217;t a threat to him in some way, and it&#8217;s the only time he kills someone he likes. After that, he only kills in the spur of the moment to get himself out of a jam, and his later victims were far less sympathetic. He&#8217;s never seriously troubled by guilt, but that first murder is the only one that he&#8217;s genuinely contrite about, and he thinks back on his younger self as stupid and reckless. Perhaps this is one of the reasons I prefer the older Tom of the sequels; you can root for your antihero when he&#8217;s strangling a Mafia hitman, but it&#8217;s just unpleasant when he&#8217;s beating an innocent friend to death.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I look forward to it.

Craig&#039;s list does suggest he might like Runyon, it&#039;s not an entirely self-serving comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to it.</p>
<p>Craig&#8217;s list does suggest he might like Runyon, it&#8217;s not an entirely self-serving comment.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very clever the way you snuck Runyon in there.  I still have a revisit on my agenda, but I may wait for a while yet.  Horse-racing and the spa meet at Saratoga Springs are somethiing that I continue to watch from across the continent -- some August I will complement that with a Runyon revisit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very clever the way you snuck Runyon in there.  I still have a revisit on my agenda, but I may wait for a while yet.  Horse-racing and the spa meet at Saratoga Springs are somethiing that I continue to watch from across the continent &#8212; some August I will complement that with a Runyon revisit.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting discussion of Ripley&#039;s character. I enjoyed all of the books, but for me the Ripley of the first was plainly a psychopath and his character changed in the later books. I recall thinking they weren&#039;t really entirely consistent, not that that matters.

I definitely agree that spacing them out as you are Kevin is the best way to go, and while I may be critical even not the best Highsmith is pretty good by many writers&#039; standards. I enjoyed all the Ripleys after all.

Craig, &quot;Philip K. Dick, H. P. Lovecraft, Dashiell Hammett, Arthur Conan Doyle, H. G. Wells, Bram Stoker, Albert Camus, and Richard Matheson&quot;. No love for Chandler? Also, have you read Runyon? If not, you probably should.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion of Ripley&#8217;s character. I enjoyed all of the books, but for me the Ripley of the first was plainly a psychopath and his character changed in the later books. I recall thinking they weren&#8217;t really entirely consistent, not that that matters.</p>
<p>I definitely agree that spacing them out as you are Kevin is the best way to go, and while I may be critical even not the best Highsmith is pretty good by many writers&#8217; standards. I enjoyed all the Ripleys after all.</p>
<p>Craig, &#8220;Philip K. Dick, H. P. Lovecraft, Dashiell Hammett, Arthur Conan Doyle, H. G. Wells, Bram Stoker, Albert Camus, and Richard Matheson&#8221;. No love for Chandler? Also, have you read Runyon? If not, you probably should.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was surprised when I recently saw the American Friend DVD selling for around $30. I was lucky enough to get mine (brand new) from a private seller for $8. Purple Noon also goes for ludicrous prices, made even more ludicrous by the lousy picture quality on that release. If I had my way, both films would be remastered and released by Criterion.

The most nuanced and complex portrayals of Tom are Hopper and Damon. Hopper seems to be playing a combination of Highsmith&#039;s Tom and himself, sort of a wandering expatriate cowboy version of Tom, but he&#039;s not watered down like Damon, whose Tom was made too innocent and guilt-ridden. Delon&#039;s Tom is the simplest portrayal; it&#039;s a fine performance, but it&#039;s not terribly deep. Malkovich is a little more complex, but the screenplay seems a little too eager to explain him with philosophy, with his musing on the &quot;rules of the game&quot; and how &quot;we&#039;re constantly being born,&quot; et cetera. I like Purple Noon and The American Friend the most because, like Highsmith, they refuse to explain Tom, but Hopper captures the complexity that Delon doesn&#039;t.

But like I said, none of them capture the character with total accuracy, and that&#039;s fine. When I watch these movies, I&#039;m watching them on the filmmakers&#039; terms, not Highsmith&#039;s. Same with Strangers on a Train and The Cry of the Owl. I think some of the adaptations come closer to Highsmith than others, but if you don&#039;t remove the books from your mind before watching them, I don&#039;t know how you&#039;ll be able to enjoy them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised when I recently saw the American Friend DVD selling for around $30. I was lucky enough to get mine (brand new) from a private seller for $8. Purple Noon also goes for ludicrous prices, made even more ludicrous by the lousy picture quality on that release. If I had my way, both films would be remastered and released by Criterion.</p>
<p>The most nuanced and complex portrayals of Tom are Hopper and Damon. Hopper seems to be playing a combination of Highsmith&#8217;s Tom and himself, sort of a wandering expatriate cowboy version of Tom, but he&#8217;s not watered down like Damon, whose Tom was made too innocent and guilt-ridden. Delon&#8217;s Tom is the simplest portrayal; it&#8217;s a fine performance, but it&#8217;s not terribly deep. Malkovich is a little more complex, but the screenplay seems a little too eager to explain him with philosophy, with his musing on the &#8220;rules of the game&#8221; and how &#8220;we&#8217;re constantly being born,&#8221; et cetera. I like Purple Noon and The American Friend the most because, like Highsmith, they refuse to explain Tom, but Hopper captures the complexity that Delon doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But like I said, none of them capture the character with total accuracy, and that&#8217;s fine. When I watch these movies, I&#8217;m watching them on the filmmakers&#8217; terms, not Highsmith&#8217;s. Same with Strangers on a Train and The Cry of the Owl. I think some of the adaptations come closer to Highsmith than others, but if you don&#8217;t remove the books from your mind before watching them, I don&#8217;t know how you&#8217;ll be able to enjoy them.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig:  I have observed earlier (perhaps not on this thread) that one of the joys of Highsmith is that she gives us such a nuanced and complex Tom that I don&#039;t think any director/actor combination could successfully capture him .  That&#039;s why, like you, I both like to read the books (which I think are excellent) and appreciate the movies, which I agree are a completely different kettle of fish.

I will let you know whether or not you are right in a couple of weeks.  The UK version of Hopper is one-third the price of the NA one, so I decided to wait a week or so for it to arrive.  I can&#039;t believe the price differential on much of this stuff -- my all-region DVD cost me $60 (thank you Guy Savage for convincing me) and I save more than that every month on cheaper European DVD costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig:  I have observed earlier (perhaps not on this thread) that one of the joys of Highsmith is that she gives us such a nuanced and complex Tom that I don&#8217;t think any director/actor combination could successfully capture him .  That&#8217;s why, like you, I both like to read the books (which I think are excellent) and appreciate the movies, which I agree are a completely different kettle of fish.</p>
<p>I will let you know whether or not you are right in a couple of weeks.  The UK version of Hopper is one-third the price of the NA one, so I decided to wait a week or so for it to arrive.  I can&#8217;t believe the price differential on much of this stuff &#8212; my all-region DVD cost me $60 (thank you Guy Savage for convincing me) and I save more than that every month on cheaper European DVD costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t think Malkovich was bad at all. In fact, I&#039;m quite fond of him. (I liked the film enough to buy the DVD.) I just take issue with the legion of critics who claim that he perfectly captures the Ripley of the books, because he doesn&#039;t. Highsmith&#039;s Tom is a polite and likable man who considers violence a last resort, while Malkovich&#039;s Tom is a smug and rude prick who always looks as if he&#039;s just itching to beat someone to death. I enjoy Roger Moore&#039;s Bond as much as the next guy, but if someone starts claiming that he perfectly captures Fleming&#039;s Bond, we&#039;re gonna have words.

And while Dennis Hopper is by far my favorite on-screen Ripley, he&#039;s also not a perfect representation of Highsmith&#039;s Tom. He&#039;s more lonely, lost, and confused about who he is, and I don&#039;t think the Tom of the novels would ever walk around in a denim jacket and cowboy hat, or live in a dilapidated old mansion with a pool table and jukebox. The truth is that Highsmith&#039;s Tom hasn&#039;t made it to the screen completely unchanged yet. You have to remove the books from your mind to enjoy any of the Ripley films. I think Hopper comes the closest to capturing him, but others are free to disagree.

Even though I&#039;m right. :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think Malkovich was bad at all. In fact, I&#8217;m quite fond of him. (I liked the film enough to buy the DVD.) I just take issue with the legion of critics who claim that he perfectly captures the Ripley of the books, because he doesn&#8217;t. Highsmith&#8217;s Tom is a polite and likable man who considers violence a last resort, while Malkovich&#8217;s Tom is a smug and rude prick who always looks as if he&#8217;s just itching to beat someone to death. I enjoy Roger Moore&#8217;s Bond as much as the next guy, but if someone starts claiming that he perfectly captures Fleming&#8217;s Bond, we&#8217;re gonna have words.</p>
<p>And while Dennis Hopper is by far my favorite on-screen Ripley, he&#8217;s also not a perfect representation of Highsmith&#8217;s Tom. He&#8217;s more lonely, lost, and confused about who he is, and I don&#8217;t think the Tom of the novels would ever walk around in a denim jacket and cowboy hat, or live in a dilapidated old mansion with a pool table and jukebox. The truth is that Highsmith&#8217;s Tom hasn&#8217;t made it to the screen completely unchanged yet. You have to remove the books from your mind to enjoy any of the Ripley films. I think Hopper comes the closest to capturing him, but others are free to disagree.</p>
<p>Even though I&#8217;m right. <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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