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	<title>Comments on: A World Elsewhere, by Wayne Johnston</title>
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		<title>By: Orla</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3.5/5

I too felt, on occasion, that perhaps Mr. Johnston had appreciated the clever puns in Jessica Grant&#039;s first novel a tad too much

Thanks for this review and the comments.  I especially appreciated the pun-dignation ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3.5/5</p>
<p>I too felt, on occasion, that perhaps Mr. Johnston had appreciated the clever puns in Jessica Grant&#8217;s first novel a tad too much</p>
<p>Thanks for this review and the comments.  I especially appreciated the pun-dignation <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max:  I called it a fantasy novel because that seemed to me the best way to describe Landish&#039;s world view -- which dominates the novel.  Offset, of course, by an equally fantastic world view from Vanderluyden.  I realize that is not the conventional ideal of &quot;fantasy novel&quot; but it seemed the best description that I could come up with.  

And if you don&#039;t like puns, I&#039;m fairly certain you wouldn&#039;t like the novel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max:  I called it a fantasy novel because that seemed to me the best way to describe Landish&#8217;s world view &#8212; which dominates the novel.  Offset, of course, by an equally fantastic world view from Vanderluyden.  I realize that is not the conventional ideal of &#8220;fantasy novel&#8221; but it seemed the best description that I could come up with.  </p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t like puns, I&#8217;m fairly certain you wouldn&#8217;t like the novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only just read this review. Unfortunately I have an incredibly low pun tolerance factor, which I suspect would make this a non-starter for me. Interesting though that you describe it as a fantasy novel, what was it that brought you to use that term?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only just read this review. Unfortunately I have an incredibly low pun tolerance factor, which I suspect would make this a non-starter for me. Interesting though that you describe it as a fantasy novel, what was it that brought you to use that term?</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BiP:  Thanks for your thoughts.  I do think there is going to be a split response between &quot;playful&quot; and &quot;annoying&quot; -- and as I have said in some previous comments, I do wonder how much my expectations were the reason for my reaction early in the book.  It is very good to hear from someone who did not experience that barrier.  If it makes the shortlist, I&#039;ll give it another go -- with a different opening attitude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BiP:  Thanks for your thoughts.  I do think there is going to be a split response between &#8220;playful&#8221; and &#8220;annoying&#8221; &#8212; and as I have said in some previous comments, I do wonder how much my expectations were the reason for my reaction early in the book.  It is very good to hear from someone who did not experience that barrier.  If it makes the shortlist, I&#8217;ll give it another go &#8212; with a different opening attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: BuriedInPrint</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems I&#039;m in the minority in this corner, but I absolutely loved the wordplay in this novel. (That was one of my favourite aspects of Jessica Grant&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Come Thou, Tortoise&lt;/i&gt; too.) And the playfulness added to the credibility of the relationship that develops between Landish and Deacon; without it, I&#039;m not sure that their connection would have resonated for me. 

Although I&#039;d agree that this novel is more like his &lt;i&gt;NavofNY&lt;/i&gt; than &lt;i&gt;Colony&lt;/i&gt; (speaking of other Giller contenders only), I actually enjoyed it much more than &lt;i&gt;NavofNY&lt;/i&gt;. (&lt;i&gt;Colony&lt;/i&gt; was one of my favourites of that reading year, and I&#039;d certainly love to re-read it.) But I do recall reading &lt;i&gt;NavofNY&lt;/i&gt; hurriedly (it was a copy borrowed from a friend who needed it back unexpectedly) and I could easily have missed some of my favourite bits in this one (my thoughts on it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buriedinprint.com/?p=3831&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;are here&lt;/a&gt;, if you&#039;re curious) if I&#039;d rushed with it too.

This was the first of the longlisted books that I read for this year&#039;s G; other than that, our reading of them hasn&#039;t matched up yet, but I&#039;m looking forward to other Shadow Giller responses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems I&#8217;m in the minority in this corner, but I absolutely loved the wordplay in this novel. (That was one of my favourite aspects of Jessica Grant&#8217;s <i>Come Thou, Tortoise</i> too.) And the playfulness added to the credibility of the relationship that develops between Landish and Deacon; without it, I&#8217;m not sure that their connection would have resonated for me. </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;d agree that this novel is more like his <i>NavofNY</i> than <i>Colony</i> (speaking of other Giller contenders only), I actually enjoyed it much more than <i>NavofNY</i>. (<i>Colony</i> was one of my favourites of that reading year, and I&#8217;d certainly love to re-read it.) But I do recall reading <i>NavofNY</i> hurriedly (it was a copy borrowed from a friend who needed it back unexpectedly) and I could easily have missed some of my favourite bits in this one (my thoughts on it <a href="http://www.buriedinprint.com/?p=3831" rel="nofollow">are here</a>, if you&#8217;re curious) if I&#8217;d rushed with it too.</p>
<p>This was the first of the longlisted books that I read for this year&#8217;s G; other than that, our reading of them hasn&#8217;t matched up yet, but I&#8217;m looking forward to other Shadow Giller responses.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin:  Well, the biggest issue with me in the first half was simply familiarity with the author&#039;s previous work and the personal expectations arising from that.  Johnston&#039;s previous novels were large narratives, with a highly traditional structure that brought its own appeal.  So the early parts of this one, with the clever puns and small incidents (that can&#039;t be avoided when a child is one of your central characters), left me feeling that Johnston simply didn&#039;t know where he was going and was &quot;writing around&quot; the issue.  Later, as his flawed and absurd characters acquired more shape, I found I had much more to consider.  I would be on the fence when it comes to recommending it -- a lot is going to depend on whether the reader wants to invest the time in a work that is essentially &quot;playful&quot;, with its message reflecting off that.  I&#039;d certainly point people to any of Johnston&#039;s previous works first if they don&#039;t know him, simply because they are more accessible.

I had the opposite response to &lt;em&gt;Atonement&lt;/em&gt;.  I very much enjoyed the first part of the book, interest lagged severely in frustration thru the second third, but did revive in the last bit.  That is actually a common problem for me with MacEwan -- he both starts and ends a story well, but tends to get self-indulgently distracted in the middle.  My reactions to &lt;em&gt;A World Elsewhere&lt;/em&gt; were so different that I don&#039;t think I would make any comparison with the two -- beyond, of course, the basic one that class conflict is present in both.  With both authors, I think I would have to acknowledge that, having read so much of their work, I do pick up a new book with certain expectations -- and accept responsibility that perhaps I should take some care in judging them when they have chosen to head off in a different direction.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin:  Well, the biggest issue with me in the first half was simply familiarity with the author&#8217;s previous work and the personal expectations arising from that.  Johnston&#8217;s previous novels were large narratives, with a highly traditional structure that brought its own appeal.  So the early parts of this one, with the clever puns and small incidents (that can&#8217;t be avoided when a child is one of your central characters), left me feeling that Johnston simply didn&#8217;t know where he was going and was &#8220;writing around&#8221; the issue.  Later, as his flawed and absurd characters acquired more shape, I found I had much more to consider.  I would be on the fence when it comes to recommending it &#8212; a lot is going to depend on whether the reader wants to invest the time in a work that is essentially &#8220;playful&#8221;, with its message reflecting off that.  I&#8217;d certainly point people to any of Johnston&#8217;s previous works first if they don&#8217;t know him, simply because they are more accessible.</p>
<p>I had the opposite response to <em>Atonement</em>.  I very much enjoyed the first part of the book, interest lagged severely in frustration thru the second third, but did revive in the last bit.  That is actually a common problem for me with MacEwan &#8212; he both starts and ends a story well, but tends to get self-indulgently distracted in the middle.  My reactions to <em>A World Elsewhere</em> were so different that I don&#8217;t think I would make any comparison with the two &#8212; beyond, of course, the basic one that class conflict is present in both.  With both authors, I think I would have to acknowledge that, having read so much of their work, I do pick up a new book with certain expectations &#8212; and accept responsibility that perhaps I should take some care in judging them when they have chosen to head off in a different direction.  </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin J MacLellan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin J MacLellan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kevin,
  Reviews like this are most helpful to the rest of us for the very reason you stated: sometimes an authors quirks take time to settle in --time we are not always willing to give. (I recently almost abandoned McEwan&#039;s Atonement over just the same early and off-putting problem.) Now I&#039;m glad I didn&#039;t. Without someone who will push on, many of these writers wouldn&#039;t get the chance to redeem themselves in the second half, or in a second book.
   Still, it raises the question: why make the first half so difficult? Don&#039;t you think this is a flaw? Or are there other qualities - in the first half already - that make perseverance worth it? I cannot decide yet whether Johnston is worth the time spent, let alone a worthy prize contender.
  Still puzzling . . .
regards,
Kjml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,<br />
  Reviews like this are most helpful to the rest of us for the very reason you stated: sometimes an authors quirks take time to settle in &#8211;time we are not always willing to give. (I recently almost abandoned McEwan&#8217;s Atonement over just the same early and off-putting problem.) Now I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t. Without someone who will push on, many of these writers wouldn&#8217;t get the chance to redeem themselves in the second half, or in a second book.<br />
   Still, it raises the question: why make the first half so difficult? Don&#8217;t you think this is a flaw? Or are there other qualities &#8211; in the first half already &#8211; that make perseverance worth it? I cannot decide yet whether Johnston is worth the time spent, let alone a worthy prize contender.<br />
  Still puzzling . . .<br />
regards,<br />
Kjml</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emily:  I should say upfront that I am an &quot;optic&quot; reader, not an &quot;aural&quot; one, so a lot of puns pass me by.  And when I do get them, I tend to find them intrusive, not useful.  Blame all that on my Grade Three teacher, Miss Watson, who instilled the &quot;we do not move  our lips when we read&quot; maxim deeply in my reading brain.

That&#039;s certainly the way I felt in the first half of this book -- I thought Johnston was struggling to be cute and clever (I was actually starting to find comparisons with some of the awkward labels in &lt;em&gt;Room&lt;/em&gt;, a 2010 novel that I did not like very much).

As I have indicated, the last half of the book did set up a different rhythm that I found of more interest.  I started to see that some of what I had thought were weaknesses from the author were actually deliberate parts of his construction.  I still don&#039;t think it is a great novel (I&#039;m predicting it will be somewhere Giller midlist for me) but I have some admiration for what Johnston tried to accomplish with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily:  I should say upfront that I am an &#8220;optic&#8221; reader, not an &#8220;aural&#8221; one, so a lot of puns pass me by.  And when I do get them, I tend to find them intrusive, not useful.  Blame all that on my Grade Three teacher, Miss Watson, who instilled the &#8220;we do not move  our lips when we read&#8221; maxim deeply in my reading brain.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s certainly the way I felt in the first half of this book &#8212; I thought Johnston was struggling to be cute and clever (I was actually starting to find comparisons with some of the awkward labels in <em>Room</em>, a 2010 novel that I did not like very much).</p>
<p>As I have indicated, the last half of the book did set up a different rhythm that I found of more interest.  I started to see that some of what I had thought were weaknesses from the author were actually deliberate parts of his construction.  I still don&#8217;t think it is a great novel (I&#8217;m predicting it will be somewhere Giller midlist for me) but I have some admiration for what Johnston tried to accomplish with it.</p>
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		<title>By: emilyluxor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the references to punning and so forth, I&#039;m reminded of some of my favourite Jasper Fforde novels. Now, there, you expect it. With Wayne Johnston, and I haven&#039;t read a word of A World Elsewhere, you just don&#039;t expect it, and it sounds a little...off. Kevin, in your opinion, did it add or detract from the book or did it just sail off into nowhere in particular?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the references to punning and so forth, I&#8217;m reminded of some of my favourite Jasper Fforde novels. Now, there, you expect it. With Wayne Johnston, and I haven&#8217;t read a word of A World Elsewhere, you just don&#8217;t expect it, and it sounds a little&#8230;off. Kevin, in your opinion, did it add or detract from the book or did it just sail off into nowhere in particular?</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary:  I think being forewarned about the puns and clever word devices might help -- I can&#039;t wait until you meet Nun Too Soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary:  I think being forewarned about the puns and clever word devices might help &#8212; I can&#8217;t wait until you meet Nun Too Soon.</p>
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