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	<title>Comments on: Jamrach&#8217;s Menagerie, by Carol Birch</title>
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	<description>This blogger seems to like every Australian writer but me -- P. Carey</description>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
		<link>http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/jamrachs-menagerie-by-carol-birch/#comment-7613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My comparison would be &lt;em&gt;Heart of Darkness&lt;/em&gt; which weighs in at about half the length and five or six times the impact.  The fact that it did come to mind while reading the book did the author of this one no favor -- the comparison only emphasized how weak this one is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comparison would be <em>Heart of Darkness</em> which weighs in at about half the length and five or six times the impact.  The fact that it did come to mind while reading the book did the author of this one no favor &#8212; the comparison only emphasized how weak this one is.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[200 pages just on the boat?

That clearly makes it a very long adventure novel. Really, if you&#039;re going to write adventure fiction it should be obligatory to read some Edgar Rice Burroughs. He&#039;s not remotely literary, but he does cut to the chase with remarkable efficiency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>200 pages just on the boat?</p>
<p>That clearly makes it a very long adventure novel. Really, if you&#8217;re going to write adventure fiction it should be obligatory to read some Edgar Rice Burroughs. He&#8217;s not remotely literary, but he does cut to the chase with remarkable efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max:  I didn&#039;t even rate it as an adventure novel -- the 200 pages on the boat when every single incident is predictable is tedium, not adventure.  As David says, however, the London parts were interesting and overcame some of the obvious weaknesses in writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max:  I didn&#8217;t even rate it as an adventure novel &#8212; the 200 pages on the boat when every single incident is predictable is tedium, not adventure.  As David says, however, the London parts were interesting and overcame some of the obvious weaknesses in writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Cairnduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dream sequences. Well. Moving on.

I go this far in your quote:

&quot;We rowed in through house-high rocks covered in barbarous plants like halted green explosions.&quot;

For me that was already too much.

David though has a very real point. As an adventure novel (a genre I do sometimes enjoy) then that sort of thing is fine. As a literary novel not so much. The problem this year is novels that don&#039;t aspire to be literary fiction being held out as such.

I note that reading this as an adventure novel David enjoyed it. That makes sense, but as he notes the expectations one would have going in would be wholly different. I&#039;d be looking for dangerous escapades, exotic locations, larger than life characters, I&#039;d be less concerned about finely honed sentences and narrative structures.

So if this weren&#039;t a Booker novel I might buy it and enjoy it just as much as David did. It is though, and it just doesn&#039;t sound like it should be. But then how many of this year&#039;s list do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dream sequences. Well. Moving on.</p>
<p>I go this far in your quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;We rowed in through house-high rocks covered in barbarous plants like halted green explosions.&#8221;</p>
<p>For me that was already too much.</p>
<p>David though has a very real point. As an adventure novel (a genre I do sometimes enjoy) then that sort of thing is fine. As a literary novel not so much. The problem this year is novels that don&#8217;t aspire to be literary fiction being held out as such.</p>
<p>I note that reading this as an adventure novel David enjoyed it. That makes sense, but as he notes the expectations one would have going in would be wholly different. I&#8217;d be looking for dangerous escapades, exotic locations, larger than life characters, I&#8217;d be less concerned about finely honed sentences and narrative structures.</p>
<p>So if this weren&#8217;t a Booker novel I might buy it and enjoy it just as much as David did. It is though, and it just doesn&#8217;t sound like it should be. But then how many of this year&#8217;s list do?</p>
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		<title>By: Sazerac</title>
		<link>http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/jamrachs-menagerie-by-carol-birch/#comment-7441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sazerac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you said in your review about the adjective overload was spot on. I don&#039;t mind a book being mainly narrative/plot driven if it&#039;s done with some finesse (Sarah Waters&#039; &#039;Fingersmith&#039;, for example), but this really was a case of an adjective for every noun and just for the sake of it. (Wait until you get to the similes in &#039;On Canaan&#039;s Side&#039;.) I don&#039;t pay any heed to the endorsements from other authors on the front of books, and this one just proved how unhelpful they are. In this case I was left with the distinct feeling that A. S. Byatt needs to get out more . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you said in your review about the adjective overload was spot on. I don&#8217;t mind a book being mainly narrative/plot driven if it&#8217;s done with some finesse (Sarah Waters&#8217; &#8216;Fingersmith&#8217;, for example), but this really was a case of an adjective for every noun and just for the sake of it. (Wait until you get to the similes in &#8216;On Canaan&#8217;s Side&#8217;.) I don&#8217;t pay any heed to the endorsements from other authors on the front of books, and this one just proved how unhelpful they are. In this case I was left with the distinct feeling that A. S. Byatt needs to get out more . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Colette Jones</title>
		<link>http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/jamrachs-menagerie-by-carol-birch/#comment-7433</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colette Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I was in the &quot;love it&quot; camp with The Northern Clemency.  I&#039;m going to start The Stranger&#039;s Child shortly so I&#039;ll see where I fall on it soon...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I was in the &#8220;love it&#8221; camp with The Northern Clemency.  I&#8217;m going to start The Stranger&#8217;s Child shortly so I&#8217;ll see where I fall on it soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sazerac:  I&#039;d love to be able to say you missed something in the last 150 pages -- for me, they were worse unfortunately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sazerac:  I&#8217;d love to be able to say you missed something in the last 150 pages &#8212; for me, they were worse unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t remember -- did you like The Northern Clemency a few years back?  While it is a bit of stretch, there are some comparisons in the way that Hollinghurst looks at periods of British 20th century history.  I liked that aspect of the novel but I am afraid his over-writing wore me down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember &#8212; did you like The Northern Clemency a few years back?  While it is a bit of stretch, there are some comparisons in the way that Hollinghurst looks at periods of British 20th century history.  I liked that aspect of the novel but I am afraid his over-writing wore me down.</p>
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		<title>By: Sazerac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sazerac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I soldiered on with &#039;Jamrach&#039; until page 170, and then admitted that life is too short. As RickP says, the voice is just not distinctive enough. Nor, for me, was the sense of time and place very convincing. With regard to distinctive first-person voices, what does anyone think about &#039;Half Blood Blues&#039;? I have to say I found it completely engaging, and am hoping it makes the shortlist. I can&#039;t say the same for the Barry. Totally overwritten, and psychologically implausible..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I soldiered on with &#8216;Jamrach&#8217; until page 170, and then admitted that life is too short. As RickP says, the voice is just not distinctive enough. Nor, for me, was the sense of time and place very convincing. With regard to distinctive first-person voices, what does anyone think about &#8216;Half Blood Blues&#8217;? I have to say I found it completely engaging, and am hoping it makes the shortlist. I can&#8217;t say the same for the Barry. Totally overwritten, and psychologically implausible..</p>
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		<title>By: Colette Jones</title>
		<link>http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/2011/08/25/jamrachs-menagerie-by-carol-birch/#comment-7421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colette Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do want to read The Stranger&#039;s Child but I&#039;m rarely in the mood to start a long book.  I&#039;ve never read any of his.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do want to read The Stranger&#8217;s Child but I&#8217;m rarely in the mood to start a long book.  I&#8217;ve never read any of his.</p>
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