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	<title>Comments on: The Matter with Morris, by David Bergen</title>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
		<link>http://kevinfromcanada.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/the-matter-with-morris-by-david-bergen/#comment-7369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emily:  I will admit that most of this book has faded from memory and I had to re-read the review.  I was not a fan of The Retreat either.  You have had more exposure to Bergen than I have had -- so I will just say thank you for your observations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily:  I will admit that most of this book has faded from memory and I had to re-read the review.  I was not a fan of The Retreat either.  You have had more exposure to Bergen than I have had &#8212; so I will just say thank you for your observations.</p>
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		<title>By: emilyluxor</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Kevin,

Really enjoyed reading your review althought I have not read &#039;The matter with Morris&#039; and I don&#039;t want to anyway because I don&#039;t particularly like David Bergen&#039;s style or content or his particular biases. I read his short story collection first, and found a disturbing tendency toward the objectification of women, and it was heightened moreso when I read A year of lesser. SOmehow, Bergen cannot write women characters without making them wholly victims of their emotions or their hormones. So, I wasn&#039;t surprised when I read early descriptions of &#039;Morris&#039; with the &#039;sexy&#039; psychologist wife (puhleeze) and Morris&#039; frquenting of prostitutes. That seemed to me to be gratuitous and now that I read your thoughtful words, falling completely flat as a story device.

I did try to go back to Bergen (I&#039;m a Manitoban too) and I read The Retreat, but that was a waste of time.I think you nailed it when you said, he starts out with a great premise or beginning and then you wonder where or why he ends up where he does. 

About the quality of writing, and need for editing and revision and re-revision, I agree wholeheartedly. What saddens me is , I went to a lecture given by David Bergen at the University of Winnipeg, just before Morris was published, I think, and he went to huge lengths to describe how Bellow and JOhn Updike influenced him and how he wanted to create fiction that incorporated elements of Bellow in particular. But I don&#039;t think the craftsmanship of either of those writers impressed Bergen much, knowing in particular, that Updike was frequently edited quite harshly by his New Yorker editors. You would think Bergen would have sought the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kevin,</p>
<p>Really enjoyed reading your review althought I have not read &#8216;The matter with Morris&#8217; and I don&#8217;t want to anyway because I don&#8217;t particularly like David Bergen&#8217;s style or content or his particular biases. I read his short story collection first, and found a disturbing tendency toward the objectification of women, and it was heightened moreso when I read A year of lesser. SOmehow, Bergen cannot write women characters without making them wholly victims of their emotions or their hormones. So, I wasn&#8217;t surprised when I read early descriptions of &#8216;Morris&#8217; with the &#8216;sexy&#8217; psychologist wife (puhleeze) and Morris&#8217; frquenting of prostitutes. That seemed to me to be gratuitous and now that I read your thoughtful words, falling completely flat as a story device.</p>
<p>I did try to go back to Bergen (I&#8217;m a Manitoban too) and I read The Retreat, but that was a waste of time.I think you nailed it when you said, he starts out with a great premise or beginning and then you wonder where or why he ends up where he does. </p>
<p>About the quality of writing, and need for editing and revision and re-revision, I agree wholeheartedly. What saddens me is , I went to a lecture given by David Bergen at the University of Winnipeg, just before Morris was published, I think, and he went to huge lengths to describe how Bellow and JOhn Updike influenced him and how he wanted to create fiction that incorporated elements of Bellow in particular. But I don&#8217;t think the craftsmanship of either of those writers impressed Bergen much, knowing in particular, that Updike was frequently edited quite harshly by his New Yorker editors. You would think Bergen would have sought the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That last quote really doesn&#039;t work for me.

For me, for someone to be doing that they&#039;d have to be in a complete breakdown.  It is after all describing someone who stops strangers at the street and asks them nonsensical questions.

I&#039;ve encountered people like that, most of us have, they&#039;re usually a long way from anything anyone would want to be.  Is that reflected?

Does it address the responses?  I suspect people would be frightened by him, by this crazy person who accosts strangers.

Perhaps I&#039;m overthinking it, but I&#039;m not convinced.

On the editing issue, Craig is right I think about the superbooks (in terms of sales I mean).  It&#039;s noticeable that when series&#039; writers get hypersuccessful the later books in the series get bigger.  It&#039;s partly market demand I think, the buying public for these books associate volume with value, but also I think a shift of power from editor to author.  The first Harry Potter, which I read but didn&#039;t take to, was relatively slim and about what you&#039;d expect from a children&#039;s book.  The latter ones were behemoths making Franzen and Seth look restrained.  Rowling is far from alone in that.

I hope the publishers that are choosing to pursue fewer, but better, books succeed.  They&#039;ll not make millions, but they may get a dedicated following and at least publish books worth reading.  I suspect that&#039;s what most publishers go into the business hoping to do anyway, it can&#039;t be for the money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last quote really doesn&#8217;t work for me.</p>
<p>For me, for someone to be doing that they&#8217;d have to be in a complete breakdown.  It is after all describing someone who stops strangers at the street and asks them nonsensical questions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve encountered people like that, most of us have, they&#8217;re usually a long way from anything anyone would want to be.  Is that reflected?</p>
<p>Does it address the responses?  I suspect people would be frightened by him, by this crazy person who accosts strangers.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m overthinking it, but I&#8217;m not convinced.</p>
<p>On the editing issue, Craig is right I think about the superbooks (in terms of sales I mean).  It&#8217;s noticeable that when series&#8217; writers get hypersuccessful the later books in the series get bigger.  It&#8217;s partly market demand I think, the buying public for these books associate volume with value, but also I think a shift of power from editor to author.  The first Harry Potter, which I read but didn&#8217;t take to, was relatively slim and about what you&#8217;d expect from a children&#8217;s book.  The latter ones were behemoths making Franzen and Seth look restrained.  Rowling is far from alone in that.</p>
<p>I hope the publishers that are choosing to pursue fewer, but better, books succeed.  They&#8217;ll not make millions, but they may get a dedicated following and at least publish books worth reading.  I suspect that&#8217;s what most publishers go into the business hoping to do anyway, it can&#8217;t be for the money.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know I love books about journalists, but even given that positive bias I found this one lacking.

I too wondered about two novels referencing deaths of troops in Afghanistan.  My explanation is that this is the first conflict since the Korean War for Canada -- so it is an experience that the country&#039;s fiction writers have not been through before.  As well, the current military practice of &quot;embedding&quot; inexperienced, gullible reporters (rather than having experienced foreign correspondents cover it only) has produced a number of fawning accounts about the Canadian forces.  My guess is that the novelists are fully aware there is another side.  Urquhart probably found modern echoes of elements of The Stone Carvers (see my response to your comment on that thread); Bergen&#039;s Giller winner was about a Canadian who had fought with the U.S. in Viet Nam -- so I&#039;d say both had reasons (at least in their heads) to include Afghanistan in their novels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I love books about journalists, but even given that positive bias I found this one lacking.</p>
<p>I too wondered about two novels referencing deaths of troops in Afghanistan.  My explanation is that this is the first conflict since the Korean War for Canada &#8212; so it is an experience that the country&#8217;s fiction writers have not been through before.  As well, the current military practice of &#8220;embedding&#8221; inexperienced, gullible reporters (rather than having experienced foreign correspondents cover it only) has produced a number of fawning accounts about the Canadian forces.  My guess is that the novelists are fully aware there is another side.  Urquhart probably found modern echoes of elements of The Stone Carvers (see my response to your comment on that thread); Bergen&#8217;s Giller winner was about a Canadian who had fought with the U.S. in Viet Nam &#8212; so I&#8217;d say both had reasons (at least in their heads) to include Afghanistan in their novels.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbofo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another Canadian book with reference to Afghanistan? Is there some collective guilt going on? Or some hard-hitting criticism of the war and Canada&#039;s involvement? I doubt very much if any book from the UK will even dare touch this issue in fiction -- at least not in the present situation.

Interesting that the story features a &quot;journalist&quot; -- although I&#039;m not a fan of columnists, because, to be honest, it&#039;s not really journalism, is it? It&#039;s opinion. And what are bloggers but columnists with a worldwide audience? 

Anyway, can&#039;t say this book has piqued my interest, even with the journalistic element. But thanks for the honest review.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Canadian book with reference to Afghanistan? Is there some collective guilt going on? Or some hard-hitting criticism of the war and Canada&#8217;s involvement? I doubt very much if any book from the UK will even dare touch this issue in fiction &#8212; at least not in the present situation.</p>
<p>Interesting that the story features a &#8220;journalist&#8221; &#8212; although I&#8217;m not a fan of columnists, because, to be honest, it&#8217;s not really journalism, is it? It&#8217;s opinion. And what are bloggers but columnists with a worldwide audience? </p>
<p>Anyway, can&#8217;t say this book has piqued my interest, even with the journalistic element. But thanks for the honest review.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom:  I read a fair bit of British fiction and would agree that the role of the editor also seems to be declining there.  I fully appreciate the economic and market challenges that publishers are facing, but I can&#039;t help but wonder if fewer, but better, published books might be part of the answer.  I suspect that is why a number of smaller publishers who focus on quality, often with translated works, (e.g.Melville House, Peirene, Pushkin, New Directions), are finding a devoted audience.

Guy:  It was that quote that led me to conclude &quot;this novel cannot be saved.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:  I read a fair bit of British fiction and would agree that the role of the editor also seems to be declining there.  I fully appreciate the economic and market challenges that publishers are facing, but I can&#8217;t help but wonder if fewer, but better, published books might be part of the answer.  I suspect that is why a number of smaller publishers who focus on quality, often with translated works, (e.g.Melville House, Peirene, Pushkin, New Directions), are finding a devoted audience.</p>
<p>Guy:  It was that quote that led me to conclude &#8220;this novel cannot be saved.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy Savage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin: You are usually quite generous in your reviews--or so it seems to me, and that generosity encompasses the idea that while you didn&#039;t like or found fault with a book, doubtless there are other readers who won&#039;t have the same reaction. In this case, the last quote nailed it for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin: You are usually quite generous in your reviews&#8211;or so it seems to me, and that generosity encompasses the idea that while you didn&#8217;t like or found fault with a book, doubtless there are other readers who won&#8217;t have the same reaction. In this case, the last quote nailed it for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[British book lovers also lament the demise of the editor - its a skilled job, very different from proof-reading and even that gets dropped in the rush to get to print as quickly and cheaply as possible.  

I won&#039;t bother with this book as you obviously didn&#039;t enjoy it very much!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>British book lovers also lament the demise of the editor &#8211; its a skilled job, very different from proof-reading and even that gets dropped in the rush to get to print as quickly and cheaply as possible.  </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t bother with this book as you obviously didn&#8217;t enjoy it very much!</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 02:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy:  My comments are probably more negative than they should have been.  I wanted the book to succeed and thought the premise had promise -- I find when I get frustrated in those circumstances I have a tendency to be overly critical.  Having said that, I do think others would find the same shortcomings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy:  My comments are probably more negative than they should have been.  I wanted the book to succeed and thought the premise had promise &#8212; I find when I get frustrated in those circumstances I have a tendency to be overly critical.  Having said that, I do think others would find the same shortcomings.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy Savage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 00:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sounded quite good at first, but then came those threads that &quot;fall flat.&quot; Too bad really as it sounds as though the book had some things going for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounded quite good at first, but then came those threads that &#8220;fall flat.&#8221; Too bad really as it sounds as though the book had some things going for it.</p>
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