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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 02:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those who haven&#039;t figured out the obvious, Dennis was one of the cast in A Guide for Mourning -- and I am delighted to read that the actors found my interest more than just amusing.  I still remember it with fondness.

Thanks for commenting, Dennis.  I hope all is well with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who haven&#8217;t figured out the obvious, Dennis was one of the cast in A Guide for Mourning &#8212; and I am delighted to read that the actors found my interest more than just amusing.  I still remember it with fondness.</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting, Dennis.  I hope all is well with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis Fitzgerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 01:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Kevin! I have fond memories of you in the rehearsal process. You were like a sponge! All of us actors were so used to the process and you brought an innocence and joy that kept everything fresh. We didn&#039;t let on, but we were all chuffed at your interest and always wanted to impress you.
You were( and I assume still are) such a generous soul during that time.
REX coveted your sweaters! Ahh.. those sweaters!
Thanks for the memories, Kevin. Wonderful essay. Stay well and happy!
Cheers!
Dennis ( REX )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kevin! I have fond memories of you in the rehearsal process. You were like a sponge! All of us actors were so used to the process and you brought an innocence and joy that kept everything fresh. We didn&#8217;t let on, but we were all chuffed at your interest and always wanted to impress you.<br />
You were( and I assume still are) such a generous soul during that time.<br />
REX coveted your sweaters! Ahh.. those sweaters!<br />
Thanks for the memories, Kevin. Wonderful essay. Stay well and happy!<br />
Cheers!<br />
Dennis ( REX )</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was counting on a comment from you William and you certainly have not disappointed.

Thanks for expanding on my comments about the readthrough -- I have been to enough that I do appreciate how different they can be.  At one end of the spectrum (to be bitchy) you sometimes see egos already coming into play and, as an outsider, can only have sympathetic thoughts for the director.  At the other end (as happened with this play) you can immediately see a cast that wants to make things work -- and starts the process immediately.  I certainly didn&#039;t mean to imply that my limited experience covered all the possibilities.

I do hope every person who visits this blog reads your second last para more than once -- it captures why, for me, live theatre is my favorite entertainment.  As a novel reader, I most prefer books where I find the author has engaged me, literally as another character in the book.  As a theatre-goer, on a good night, I find that playwright, director, cast and crew do exactly the same thing -- I become a part of the experience of &quot;same words, different play&quot;.  And have enormous respect for all of the people who are involved in making that happen.

Thanks for the comment -- I am sure you can understand from both Parts One and Two why I find live theatre to be so interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was counting on a comment from you William and you certainly have not disappointed.</p>
<p>Thanks for expanding on my comments about the readthrough &#8212; I have been to enough that I do appreciate how different they can be.  At one end of the spectrum (to be bitchy) you sometimes see egos already coming into play and, as an outsider, can only have sympathetic thoughts for the director.  At the other end (as happened with this play) you can immediately see a cast that wants to make things work &#8212; and starts the process immediately.  I certainly didn&#8217;t mean to imply that my limited experience covered all the possibilities.</p>
<p>I do hope every person who visits this blog reads your second last para more than once &#8212; it captures why, for me, live theatre is my favorite entertainment.  As a novel reader, I most prefer books where I find the author has engaged me, literally as another character in the book.  As a theatre-goer, on a good night, I find that playwright, director, cast and crew do exactly the same thing &#8212; I become a part of the experience of &#8220;same words, different play&#8221;.  And have enormous respect for all of the people who are involved in making that happen.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment &#8212; I am sure you can understand from both Parts One and Two why I find live theatre to be so interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: William Rycroft</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Rycroft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great stuff Kevin. You probably knew I&#039;d be commenting on this one. First of all I love the idea of applying the word &#039;normal&#039; to anything related to theatre! I know what you mean of course and you&#039;re right, what you experienced was normal but there are different ways of developing and rehearsing a new play as well of course.

You observations of the read-through are really interesting. I&#039;ve been at some where actors make a great performance of &#039;not&#039; acting, some where as you say there are tears before bedtime and I&#039;ve certainly seen some actors produce their best work in a read-through. At that early stage you&#039;re relying on your instincts and for some actors that&#039;s their best; the rehearsal, the tinkering and all that acting end up getting in the way.

Also interesting was your experience of &#039;same words, different play&#039;. It&#039;s what separates live theatre from the recorded arts, the reason why you can still find something new in Shakespeare after more than 400 years and what makes acting so much fun to do. It is so weird to be able to do so much with the same words and to fell how an audience&#039;s reaction can warp and alter the performance of the play from night to night. That feedback is why I think I will always prefer theatre to filming.

Right, enough waffle, I&#039;m off to read part two...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff Kevin. You probably knew I&#8217;d be commenting on this one. First of all I love the idea of applying the word &#8216;normal&#8217; to anything related to theatre! I know what you mean of course and you&#8217;re right, what you experienced was normal but there are different ways of developing and rehearsing a new play as well of course.</p>
<p>You observations of the read-through are really interesting. I&#8217;ve been at some where actors make a great performance of &#8216;not&#8217; acting, some where as you say there are tears before bedtime and I&#8217;ve certainly seen some actors produce their best work in a read-through. At that early stage you&#8217;re relying on your instincts and for some actors that&#8217;s their best; the rehearsal, the tinkering and all that acting end up getting in the way.</p>
<p>Also interesting was your experience of &#8216;same words, different play&#8217;. It&#8217;s what separates live theatre from the recorded arts, the reason why you can still find something new in Shakespeare after more than 400 years and what makes acting so much fun to do. It is so weird to be able to do so much with the same words and to fell how an audience&#8217;s reaction can warp and alter the performance of the play from night to night. That feedback is why I think I will always prefer theatre to filming.</p>
<p>Right, enough waffle, I&#8217;m off to read part two&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for commenting and clarifying, Eugene.  Of course, you still &quot;own&quot; the play.  I think what I should have said (as the title of the essay actually does say, now that I think about it) was that the written play and performed production are two quite different thiings.  I was fascinated to see what was involved in transforming one into the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting and clarifying, Eugene.  Of course, you still &#8220;own&#8221; the play.  I think what I should have said (as the title of the essay actually does say, now that I think about it) was that the written play and performed production are two quite different thiings.  I was fascinated to see what was involved in transforming one into the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugenius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi again Kevin,

It&#039;s a funny sense of proprietorship, or even ownership, I suppose, because when you write about the fact I no longer owned the play I flinched a little. You&#039;re right, of course, that&#039;s the nature of a collaborative art form like theatre and if I felt a real need for ownership I suppose I should have been a novelist. But I never felt I didn&#039;t own the play. Part of the process is to give it over to the director and cast, and as we were blessed with a great director and cast that wasn&#039;t hard to do. But it was always mine, if you know what I mean. (Still is, for that matter.)

The final stage that I think might be of interest to the very interesting people who have commented on your essay is that the playwright gives it over yet again to the critics and commentators. I think more so even than novelists, playwrights have had an especially antagonistic relationship with the critics. Who was it who said critics are like eunuchs in a harem? They see how it&#039;s done, night after night, but they can&#039;t do it themselves. (The Irish playwright Brendan Behan -- what did we do before Google?!)

Maybe because we do have to give over to the talents of others, we feel especially vulnerable. And yet, it&#039;s all part of the process. It can be unpleasant, as in the case of a bad review. And then again, it can be very nice, as is the case of your essay, where I have the opportunity to see you share your memories of our time together on the play with others. And then read their responses. Fascinating world this blog world. Thanks for introducing me to it.

I&#039;m rambling. It&#039;s late. I guess I&#039;m just saying thanks, and letting you know that I&#039;m very curious about how your readers are responding to your essay, and of course, about what comes next. 

No pressure, mind you.

Thanks, Kevin.

Eugene]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Kevin,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a funny sense of proprietorship, or even ownership, I suppose, because when you write about the fact I no longer owned the play I flinched a little. You&#8217;re right, of course, that&#8217;s the nature of a collaborative art form like theatre and if I felt a real need for ownership I suppose I should have been a novelist. But I never felt I didn&#8217;t own the play. Part of the process is to give it over to the director and cast, and as we were blessed with a great director and cast that wasn&#8217;t hard to do. But it was always mine, if you know what I mean. (Still is, for that matter.)</p>
<p>The final stage that I think might be of interest to the very interesting people who have commented on your essay is that the playwright gives it over yet again to the critics and commentators. I think more so even than novelists, playwrights have had an especially antagonistic relationship with the critics. Who was it who said critics are like eunuchs in a harem? They see how it&#8217;s done, night after night, but they can&#8217;t do it themselves. (The Irish playwright Brendan Behan &#8212; what did we do before Google?!)</p>
<p>Maybe because we do have to give over to the talents of others, we feel especially vulnerable. And yet, it&#8217;s all part of the process. It can be unpleasant, as in the case of a bad review. And then again, it can be very nice, as is the case of your essay, where I have the opportunity to see you share your memories of our time together on the play with others. And then read their responses. Fascinating world this blog world. Thanks for introducing me to it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rambling. It&#8217;s late. I guess I&#8217;m just saying thanks, and letting you know that I&#8217;m very curious about how your readers are responding to your essay, and of course, about what comes next. </p>
<p>No pressure, mind you.</p>
<p>Thanks, Kevin.</p>
<p>Eugene</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very cheeky of you, Margaret.  Part Two is awaiting the delivery of suitable graphics and will be up within a week I promise.  Queen Lear is an excellent play and I can&#039;t wait to describe it, but I do want good pictures to go with it (to offset my boring writing).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cheeky of you, Margaret.  Part Two is awaiting the delivery of suitable graphics and will be up within a week I promise.  Queen Lear is an excellent play and I can&#8217;t wait to describe it, but I do want good pictures to go with it (to offset my boring writing).</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret ED</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margaret ED]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How long will we have to wait for part two?  Your blog is fascinating and I look forward to each new posting.  

I had the absolute pleasure of seeing Queen Lear and I have decided that it is my new favourte stage production.  I hope to see much more of KevinfromCanada and Eugene Stickland.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long will we have to wait for part two?  Your blog is fascinating and I look forward to each new posting.  </p>
<p>I had the absolute pleasure of seeing Queen Lear and I have decided that it is my new favourte stage production.  I hope to see much more of KevinfromCanada and Eugene Stickland.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KevinfromCanada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rob:  I think the ultimate &quot;beat&quot; writer is Marcel Proust.  Take a look at one of his longer sentences (they aren&#039;t hard to find) -- he back-end loads the sentence by introducing a number of possible &quot;beats&quot; and only as the sentence comes to a conclusion does he actually introduce a subject and verb to confirm the chosen beat.

While most &quot;beats&quot; in a play are obvious, the discussions that I found most interesting were when actors wondered whether a moment was a &quot;beat&quot; or not -- e.g. is this a continuation of dialogue?  or are we about to move onto new turf?

If you want another example of how I find it works in fiction, check out the post that Max put up today -- http://pechorinsjournal.wordpress.com/ -- on &lt;i&gt;The Reluctant Fundamentalist&lt;/i&gt;.  He rightly devotes a lot of attention to the framing device of the monolgue, which some readers find distracting.  I found it to be quite different -- the narrator uses &quot;beats&quot;, sometimes quite artificial, to supply layers of complexity and nuance to the story.  It is that effect that I think my play-watching experience taught me, becoming aware of how an author uses the technique almost the same way that a painter builds layers of paint to create a full picture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob:  I think the ultimate &#8220;beat&#8221; writer is Marcel Proust.  Take a look at one of his longer sentences (they aren&#8217;t hard to find) &#8212; he back-end loads the sentence by introducing a number of possible &#8220;beats&#8221; and only as the sentence comes to a conclusion does he actually introduce a subject and verb to confirm the chosen beat.</p>
<p>While most &#8220;beats&#8221; in a play are obvious, the discussions that I found most interesting were when actors wondered whether a moment was a &#8220;beat&#8221; or not &#8212; e.g. is this a continuation of dialogue?  or are we about to move onto new turf?</p>
<p>If you want another example of how I find it works in fiction, check out the post that Max put up today &#8212; <a href="http://pechorinsjournal.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pechorinsjournal.wordpress.com/</a> &#8212; on <i>The Reluctant Fundamentalist</i>.  He rightly devotes a lot of attention to the framing device of the monolgue, which some readers find distracting.  I found it to be quite different &#8212; the narrator uses &#8220;beats&#8221;, sometimes quite artificial, to supply layers of complexity and nuance to the story.  It is that effect that I think my play-watching experience taught me, becoming aware of how an author uses the technique almost the same way that a painter builds layers of paint to create a full picture.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinfromCanada</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isabel:  You raise an interesting point -- food and the rehearsal hall could be an entire post, from my experience.  Stage actors are very aware of the need to maintain health (obviously, especially in the vast majority of productions where there are no understudies).  The literature has lots of examples of those who choose alcohol as their support system, but I was intrigued by the much healthier examples I saw in the room.  While rehearsing can be tedious, it also uses a lot of energy -- and I was intrigued at how every break involved eating to build that back up again.  I&#039;d say most of the actors in  &lt;i&gt;A Guide to Mourning&lt;/i&gt; spent at least an hour packing their food before coming to work.  And when the play was workshopped in New York, I learned more about soup than I thought it was possible to know -- from my limited experience, New York actors are more or less continuously eating some lentil-like soup to keep themselves going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isabel:  You raise an interesting point &#8212; food and the rehearsal hall could be an entire post, from my experience.  Stage actors are very aware of the need to maintain health (obviously, especially in the vast majority of productions where there are no understudies).  The literature has lots of examples of those who choose alcohol as their support system, but I was intrigued by the much healthier examples I saw in the room.  While rehearsing can be tedious, it also uses a lot of energy &#8212; and I was intrigued at how every break involved eating to build that back up again.  I&#8217;d say most of the actors in  <i>A Guide to Mourning</i> spent at least an hour packing their food before coming to work.  And when the play was workshopped in New York, I learned more about soup than I thought it was possible to know &#8212; from my limited experience, New York actors are more or less continuously eating some lentil-like soup to keep themselves going.</p>
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